Seanu Reaves
The Shogun of Gaming
Oooo never challenge someones understanding on the internet. you just got copy and pasted. Whatup son!!! jk i feel we lost the point of the tread.
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Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?
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azali100
Active Member
Both sides lost men. But the Empire lost much more than that. Imperial city was sacked and burned. Several other cities and villages were sacked and burned. Innocents killed and subjected to many atrocities. All on top of having less than half your army left to command.
As I said both sides lost men, but it takes more than just soldiers to fight a war. You need supply lines, food, water, weapons, resources, transportation, armor, and most importantly the people's support etc.
Sommerset Isles, still in good condition can proovide these things to support thier Elven army. Cyrodill, with thier capital sacked and thier province in ruins could not. It was preferable to the Emperor, that he establish peace, and rebuild.
Seanu Reaves
The Shogun of Gaming
For the Empire!!! Praise Talos!!! Im just saying...
Dagmar
Defender of the Bunnies of Skyrim
The High King is a hereditary position. It's no different than any traditional sovereignty. The only time the Moot has the power to appoint the High King is when one dies without any heirs. In 4,000 years that's only occured 3 times.
Seanu Reaves
The Shogun of Gaming
Thank you. that helped. Teehee the bunnies make me lol
Dagmar
Defender of the Bunnies of Skyrim
Unrest =/= rebellion. In case you haven't figured it out by listening to the Dunmer of Windhelm, they're in a constant state of unrest because of their situation. That's why Jorleif says there continues to be unrest in the Grey Quarter. He's the Steward and it's his job to report on the well being or lack thereof of his Jarl's subjects which is why he's telling Ulfric they're not happy and why Ulfric is saying that they can go fluff themselves because he's too busy waging a war to address their concerns or complaints.
nogz
Member
But the Empire is not just Cyrodill. They could've establish victory and rebuild all the same. Do Hamerfell, Skyrim and High Rock really did nothing? I'm pretty sure Hammerfell was also attacked at the start, not sure about High Rock but come on Hamerfell beat them basically alone. But I guess this is where we hit the wall with the lore on what happened in these provinces to make Mede see no hope and sign the treaty.
Seanu Reaves
The Shogun of Gaming
You keep saying Hammerfell beat them back alone. I thought, i read they had help. Also home of the best straight warrior races doesn't hurt: Redguards (and Orcs... I am not sure and I wont wiki to sound like a loremaster.)
Exelex
Member
I support the Imperial Legion. Skyrim wasn't the land of the Nords in the first place. If they hadn't invaded Skyrim claiming that it was their ancestral land and took it from the Snow Elves, the race of Mer would still be prospering to this day most likely, much better than their degenerated blind race of Falmer now. That is one reason I dislike the Nords. All in all, I support the Legion/ Empire for the reason above.
Seanu Reaves
The Shogun of Gaming
lol thanks friend for actually staying on the real topic
J
Jeremius
Guest
I have stated all the reasons I need in order to say that I prefer the forsworn. But that was the past so I will re-post them:
- Elisif is too easily swayed to be an effective ruler
- Ulfric is a warmonger and more of a military leader than a monarch.
azali100
Active Member
All troops from Hammerfell, High-Rock, and Skyrim, were recalled to Cyrodill to aid the Emperor in retaking the Imperial City.
nogz
Member
Haha, well I would but not to sound like one, I was quite wrong in couple of places, just need to confirm before I post, "my memory gets a little fuzzy.."
Hammerfell - The Elder Scrolls Wiki
Seanu Reaves
The Shogun of Gaming
Lol Boss status man. I like to see the reason come back to this thread.
Kraad Vestru
Member
While the Jarldoms might be hereditary the position of High King is not for a while it has been appointed by the Empire. But traditionally it has been voted on by the Moot a quasi democracy. If it was Hereditary Jarl Balgruuf would be High King because he's related to Olaf One-Eye. Or even Ulfric because he can supposedly trace his linage back to Ysgramor (he claims this but it doesn't hold much water in my opinion). Torygg might have inherited it from his father but that was because of his father's influence not his.
Dagmar
Defender of the Bunnies of Skyrim
That's because you're wildly ignorant about the lore and obstinately refuse to acknowledge any attempt to educate you on the realities of what was going on at the end of The Great War.
You're judging Mede's actions with the benefit of hindsight, and you'll never be able to comprehend what was going on at the time with that kind of narrow mindset. Prior to The Great War, the Thalmor tracked down and captured all of the Empire's Blade spies within the Aldmeri Dominion and had them executed. The Empire had no intelligence on the size and strength of any Aldmeri Dominion forces being held in reserve behind enemy lines for a possible second offensive after The Battle of the Red Ring.
Mede knew that with less than half of the remaining Legionnaires fit for combat that the Empire was in no position to mount an offensive against the Dominion, which would have been the only way to decisively win the war. He had no idea that the Dominion armies in Hammerfell were not going to be reinforced (and they didn't get a major ass kicking either unless your idea of an ass kicking is a prolonged war of attrition for five years where neither side was able to get the upper hand and the invading force decided it wasn't worth the effort to continue the war and vacated Hammerfell after negotiating terms so they could withdraw without any harrassment from the Redguards). For all he knew additional Dominion armies could have been on their way not only to Hammerfell but to Cyrodiil.
In the end it turned out that wasn't the case but think about what would have likely happened if that was the case and Mede had refused to negotiate a peace treaty with the Dominion. It would have very likely resulted in the destruction of the Third Empire and the eventual establishment of Thalmor dominance over all of Tamriel. Mede found that kind of risk unacceptable, as would most in his situation, so he did what he thought had to be done to prevent it, notwithstanding that what he gave up was unnecessary in hindsight.
Mr1cammando
asdf
You know Dagmar, I think you are the easiest person to respect on these forums. Nobody disagrees with you and gets away with it! 
Docta Corvina
Well-Known Member
I myself have started wondering if I should index my responses by topic and start linking them when I get alerts for this thread. 
"Lazy Dunmer, eh? See post #354627634563"
"Lazy Dunmer, eh? See post #354627634563"
Kraad Vestru
Member
You know Dagmar, I think you are the easiest person to respect on these forums. Nobody disagrees with you and gets away with it!
That's because most people who disagree with her don't know the lore 1/4 as well as she does.
How many people actually cite lore references in their arguments?While I don't' agree with her assessment of the Great War in it's closing days, I do agree with her on a number of other issues. I think that even though the Empire was severely wounded the still could have killed the remaining Dominion forces in Cyrodiil and Hammerfell and gotten a better deal. But I think that the Elves wanted to outlaw Talos because of how powerful he was getting. An Overview of Gods and Worship - The Elder Scrolls Wiki it would explain why they wanted to ban the God of Man to weaken them.