For the Dunmer, lets say it is racial between the stormcloaks and the Dunmer because the Dunmer, as a race, are generally unhelpful to the rebels. Would that not be racially motivated? would that not help the Dunmer in that case, because they are perpetuating a racial stereotype that the Dunmer are selfish? would it not help the Dunmer in that case to show the Stormcloaks that they can be trusted and can help the rebels free THEIR homeland?
Many aren't helping the Stormcloaks directly, why aren't they being racially segregated?
The Stormcloaks are a Military coup fighting against the rest of 'THEIR' homeland. It is a Civil War between the Nords, the Redguards and the Bretons aren't helping. Should they be segregated?
who are they helping? I do not know of an instant where they say they donated food or coins to the stormcloak cause? just working for the city is not working for the rebellion. besides, if the stormcloaks/nords are not going to help them based on their race, why bloddy wait for the Empire to solve your problems? Why not roll up your sleeves and fix the grey quarter yourselves?
Strawman. Everything the Dunmer and Argonians do in Windhelm goes into the economy, paying taxes, working the farms and the docks.
Fix they grey quarter themselves? With what? Ulfric isn't interested in the Gray quarter, he refuses to even go look at it. Ulfric owns the city, he is the Jarl of Windhelm. If the Dunmer were to start using Windhelm's resources to rebuild and repair it. You'd be here shouting they're using up resources that could be used to help the rebellion.
and likely everyone else in windhelm. it is not just the Dunmer who are paying the taxes. besides if the Dunmer do not like the way things are, they should fix it themselves by fixing the grey quarter, not complaining until you get someone who will help you for just asking for their help.
Same strawman. How are they going to 'fix up' the Gray Quarter? Ulfric is the Jarl of Windhelm and isn't interested in them. What are they going to repair their area with? Happy thoughts and wishful thinking. Ulfric has a duty to maintain his own city, he can't even manage that.
You keep blaming the Dunmer for Ulfric's inaction. They're trying to make it better, using a third party to try reason with Ulfric since they have already tried to get Ulfric to help, he wouldn't come see the state of the Gray Quarter.
fixed that with the correct problem.
No. The Thalmor are using the Civil War to move around unchecked and unchallenged. They're conducting a large Inqusition into Skyrim to send people flocking to Ulfric. They weren't' able to do this for twenty six years.
and yet they still live in a slum that they could have fixed a long time ago themselves to get that feeling of "You do not like us, so we will make our own equality, without you treating us like your equals."
And again... Fixed it with what?
so all the problems have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with any history between the Nords and the Dunmer? you must be right. The stormcloaks are racist xenophobics because only Nords are actually trying to free Skryim from the political grip of the Empire, while all other races are doing nothing unless they are forced to by the nords.
History of invading the Dunmer? Or perhaps when they were assaulting House Redoran during the Oblivion Crisis?
The Dunmer were treated just fine until the rise of Ulfric Stormcloak. Ulfric's forefathers welcomed them, all the Jarls did.
'There is cause for optimism, though, as Jarl Ulfric is not nearly so tolerant of these substandard beings as his fathers were.' - Scourge of the Gray Quarter
you all are right, the nords hate dunmer because that is all nords have that magically in them and it has nothing to do with the dunmer simply hating the nords even thought there is nothing to show us that the dunmer care for nords outside of a select few we see in game that actually work for the nords and like them.
Really? Like seriously... Stormcloaks =/= All Nords. Dunmer get along just fine with many Nords, some are friends. Even in Windhelm.
Why would the Dunmer of Windhelm care for the Stormcloaks? They are racially segregated, threatened and don't get basic needs. They work and pay taxes like everyone else. Why shouldn't they be treated the same?
Here is how I see windhelm. IT IS A CITY I DO NOT CARE ABOUT. simple as that. what happens in windhelm stays in windhelm because no one else seems to even talk about it until the Dunmer get someone they love on the throne of the city. I hardly spend any time there, so racism/segregation/nords being mean to the Dunmer based on race in windhelm? useless information to me.
Then don't defend and justify it. How is it useless information? Oh that is right, I forgot everything is your RP. If you want to deny things, that is your right. But don't argue it in the thread for several pages, then turn around going "It's useless information"
Why should I care when Khajit are suffering the same all over skyrim? Racism/Xenophobia is not unique to the rebels.
IF I should care about the Dunmer, then I should care about the Khajit and hate all nords for being racist.
Khajiit caravans are banned from the cities, because they're thought to be smugglers and thieves. It is racist, but also has some basis on fact. The Khajiit Caravans do smuggle, they sell skooma and buy stolen goods.
I dislike the racism in Windhelm. I just do not see the point in complaining about it when I just make the characters, and give THEM a life , in Skyrim. Racism is all over Tamriel. Just like the Dunmer in Morrowind who hated just about anything they considered "imperialized" (including those of their own race who been in the empire for any length of time). Never truly liked the Dunmer as a race then, still at least distrust them now, just like the Altmer who are portrayed as arrogant and think they are better than everyone else.
so again, why should the Stormcloaks be unique in their racism/xenophobia when that is pretty common in this universe?
Racism elsewhere, doesn't make it anymore right. Nor does one bad action, justify another.
I guess people hate me because I do not impart modern day values on a fantasy, medieval universe. That is fine, but I see the game as it is, a game based on a fantasy world where our world's values hold little sway in any action of any individual or race.
I honestly dislike both the Stormcloaks and the Empire and wish that I could take their leaders and throw them off the top of the throat of the world.
No. You're grasping for a straw here, this is a fantasy world but it isn't exactly pure medieval. Slavery and racial equality was something spread by the Imperial Empire. So simply saying "Modern day values is why you're against me" isn't the case. They're arguing about what is the norm in the Empire.
Hell there is even flying ships in TES.
. Yeash..
