Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

[Indri Master]

The Thalmor would rather the Civil War not end and no winner be declared. However if one side was to win, the Thalmor would support the Stormcloaks. It has been proven they do support and provide aid to the Stormcloaks indirectly. It's often speculated that the Thalmor outlawed Talos worship to spark up a rebellion as well as religious purposes. So if you're truly against the Thalmor, you'd help the Imperial Legion. Also, Ulfric's interrogation played quite a role in the Thalmor taking over the Imperial City.

If I was in Tullius shoes I don't think I could live with myself knowing what I know.

If I were in Ulfric's shoes I don't think I could live with myself.

 

[Stormcrown]

Neither Tullius or Ulfric is good guys,Ulfric murdered the king to make a point,And Tullius with his racist elitist attitude.

 

[Black Orchid]

lol you most buy it Dawnguard is pl*** boring as hell. the same as heartfire pl*** to mod houses are a way better.
but that Dragonborn is great! money worth.

I beg to differ on Dawnguard being boring; the Volkihar quest line (and playing as a vampire lord) has been quite interesting and challenging so far.

(My apologies for being off topic; please continue with your political ranting, guys)

 

[Raijin]

The Thalmor would rather the Civil War not end and no winner be declared. However if one side was to win, the Thalmor would support the Stormcloaks. It has been proven they do support and provide aid to the Stormcloaks indirectly. It's often speculated that the Thalmor outlawed Talos worship to spark up a rebellion as well as religious purposes. So if you're truly against the Thalmor, you'd help the Imperial Legion. Also, Ulfric's interrogation played quite a role in the Thalmor taking over the Imperial City.

If I were in Ulfric's shoes I don't think I could live with myself.

The Thalmor is sadly misinterpreting what the Stormcloaks can do. Ulfric and Galmar are former Legionaries and so are most of their soldiers, and they wont stop fighting until Skyrim becomes independent, and that they can shove that WGC right where the sun doesn't shine.

Oh and why should I help the Imperial legion after what they've done to me at the beginning? Yeah I'm going to travel straight to Solitude right after these butchers was inches away from murdering me. It was that menacing black dragon that saved my ass from these savages. I tend to stay away from those who wants me dead, and show little to no concern about my life.

Say what you want about Ulfric, but at least he nor his stormcloaks soldiers didn't try to kill me.

 

[Indri Master]

Neither Tullius or Ulfric is good guys,Ulfric murdered the king to make a point,And Tullius with his racist elitist attitude.

You do realize Tullius's second in command is a Nord? And that all the unnamed Imperial Soldiers you encounter are Nords? And also, Ulfric is racist against every other Race except Nords, especially Elves. He forces Dark Elves to live in slums, he banished Khajiit and Argonians from the city, he's even convicted of not sending aid to non-nordic towns after bandit raids targeted on the towns. Face it, Ulfric is only after the Crown, nothing else.

 

[Raijin]

Neither Tullius or Ulfric is good guys,Ulfric murdered the king to make a point,And Tullius with his racist elitist attitude.

You're wrong. Ulfric didn't murder the High King. That's just Imperial propaganda to justified their war on Nord land.

 

[Indri Master]

The Thalmor is sadly misinterpreting what the Stormcloaks can do. Ulfric and Galmar are former Legionaries and so are most of their soldiers, and they wont stop fighting until Skyrim becomes independent, and that they can shove that WGC right where the sun doesn't shine.

Oh and why should I help the Imperial legion after what they've done to me at the beginning? Yeah I'm going to travel straight to Solitude right after these butchers was inches away from murdering me. It was that menacing black dragon that saved my ass from these savages. I tend to stay away from those who wants me dead, and show little to no concern about my life.

Say what you want about Ulfric, but at least he nor his stormcloaks soldiers didn't try to kill me.

You were near Darkwater Crossing while the Stormcloaks were ambushed. You might've been a Stormcloak spy for all they know. I bet if you were the Imperial Captain you would do the same.

 

[Ozan]

Oblivion opens up with the crisis? What town are you referring to if the game itself starts during the Crisis.

Slavery was banned, and it was never mentioned as to the reason why the Argonians invaded. It's never said it was about slavery, it's been hinted to be about claiming lost territory. The simple fact is, you don't know why they invaded to even claim to know would be biased and obviously false. Morrowind left the Empire after the Oblivion Crisis, Morrowind was no longer Imperial concern, the only Legion garrison near Morrowind was wiped out by Red Mountain erupting. Why should the Empire protect those no longer within the Empire, if a province leaves the Empire, they're on their own. Why should the Empire spend resources to aid those who do not wish it. Your argument on this subject is invalid.

Oh so if the Stormcloaks slaughter innocents, it is the Legions fault? That is biased, very biased and a very weak stand point. I'm amazed you would even try to use that as an argument in defense of the Stormcloaks.

The Thalmor don't answer to me? Are you sure?

"Are you joking? Even if we had a prisoner by that name, the only way he'd be released is by order of the Imperial Legion." - Thalmor Mistwatch Guard.

We know more than the Stormcloaks, they have no clue about the Thalmor.

Tullius: "You realize this is exactly what they wanted."
Galmar: "What who wanted?"
Tullius: "The Thalmor. They stirred up trouble here. Forced us to divert needed resources and throw away good soldiers quelling this rebellion."

((Whodunit. Its a quest and the Nord there (After enough convincing) tells you why he dislikes the Redguard. His village was wtfroflpwnt by bandits and he asked a legion garrison in Skyrim to help. They did nothing.))

So... why did the Dunmer leave the Empire after the Oblivion? Then, if they freed their slaves some time after the Oblivion Crisis, then the Colovian didn't free anything. Why does the Colovian claim credit for something they didn't do?

It is a rhetorical statement, Khajiit wishes to express. He knows they are ran by snotty, blue-blooded politicians.

And as a response to the Stormcloak comment... Khajiit is fairly certain that his side is full of ignorant hairy racist types. Not murderous lap dogs that fill the legion's ranks.

And finally, concerning the Thalmor, if they know so much, why keep it secret? Why do the Thalmor not receive blame for the aforementioned massacres? Because the Thalmor are protected by the Colovian types. And Khajiit is fairly certain that any Colovian pardon or whatever is simply for those who can afford it or are important enough.

The people suffer. The Colovian says suffering more will make the people suffer less when only the elite may be saved. Khajiit has sunken himself further in his ground from which this debate he makes.

 

[Raijin]

You were near Darkwater Crossing while the Stormcloaks were ambushed. You might've been a Stormcloak spy for all they know. I bet if you were the Imperial Captain you would do the same.

That's what the dungeons are for. I remember clearly that their were interrogators inside Helgan's keep interrogating their Stormcloak prisoners. Why didn't the Imperials send me down there to be interrogated instead of sending me to the chopping block?

 

[Indri Master]

You're wrong. Ulfric didn't murder the High King. That's just Imperial propaganda to justified their war on Nord land.

So, walking into the Blue Palace and shouting at the High King and stabbing him isn't murder? Ulfric calls it a duel, but Ulfric didn't even send him his Axe. Also, Torygg was against the Imperials and respected Ulfric. Clearly, Ulfric was after the Crown.

 

[Stormcrown]

You do realize Tullius's second in command is a Nord? And that all the unnamed Imperial Soldiers you encounter are Nords? And also, Ulfric is racist against every other Race except Nords, especially Elves. He forces Dark Elves to live in slums, he banished Khajiit and Argonians from the city, he's even convicted of not sending aid to non-nordic towns after bandit raids targeted on the towns. Face it, Ulfric is only after the Crown, nothing else.

>.< Still doesnt change the fact Tullius got an elitist and racist attitude.Like many imperials before him. Well he is the only one in skyrimbut..

Why cant you accept one bad thing about Tullius?

 

[Ozan]

So, walking into the Blue Palace and shouting at the High King and stabbing him isn't murder? Ulfric calls it a duel, but Ulfric didn't even send him his Axe. Also, Torygg was against the Imperials and respected Ulfric. Clearly, Ulfric was after the Crown.

Kill one man, one is a tyrant. Kill many, one is a saint.

The idea of kings disgust Ozan. Good riddance, thinks Khajiit. His only regret is that the Stormcloak Jarl will become High King.

 

[Indri Master]

>.< Still doesnt change the fact Tullius got an elitist and racist attitude.Like many imperials before him. Well he is the only one in skyrimbut..

Why cant you accept one bad thing about Tullius?

I can see many flaws about Tullius, but racism isn't one of them.

 

[Raijin]

So, walking into the Blue Palace and shouting at the High King and stabbing him isn't murder? Ulfric calls it a duel, but Ulfric didn't even send him his Axe. Also, Torygg was against the Imperials and respected Ulfric. Clearly, Ulfric was after the Crown.

Ulfric challenged Torygg to a duel and he verbally accepted. It no longer becomes murder once you accept a duel.

 

[Stormcrown]

I can see many flaws about Tullius, but racism isn't one of them.

If nords had dark skin would you think tullius racism was bad?

 

[Indri Master]

Ulfric challenged Torygg to a duel and he verbally accepted. It no longer becomes murder once you accept a duel.

No he didn't. Torygg thought Ulfric visited his palace to have another speech against the Empire, but actually Ulfric challenge him and it was too late to stop Ulfric from killing Torygg. Torygg didn't accept the duel.

 

[Indri Master]

If nords had dark skin would you think tullius racism was bad?

I just told you Tullius isn't racist.... And skin color doesn't change any of my views.

 

[Docta Corvina]

For all those poo-pooing the idea of the Thalmor coming into Skyrim post civil war, Ulfric himself expresses concern that that very thing will happen with their (Stormcloak) victory. If even he is worried about it, I think it's quite a bit silly to dismiss it and the possible consequences.

 

[Stormcrown]

I just told you Tullius isn't racist.... And skin color doesn't change any of my views.

So you dont consider seeing another race as savages and barbarians that cant rule their own province to be racist?

He clearly sees himself above the savage nords. Well,He is pretty douchy,Mostly ignorant.

 

[Indri Master]

So you dont consider seeing another race as savages and barbarians that cant rule their own province to be racist?

He clearly sees himself above the savage nords. Well,He is pretty douchy,Mostly ignorant.

No, he doesn't see all Nords as savages and barbarians. Have you been ignoring my past replies?