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Imperials or Stormcloaks, what one?

The problem was the comparison.

The only period in Indian history where we faced no freedom of religion was the Congress Tyranny Years, (1937-39) but you are acting like it was the 200 years the British were in power.

Half the Nords supported the Stormcloaks. In India all the Muslims were against Congress
 
The problem was the comparison.

The only period in Indian history where we faced no freedom of religion was the Congress Tyranny Years, (1937-39) but you are acting like it was the 200 years the British were in power.

Half the Nords supported the Stormcloaks. In India all the Muslims were against Congress


OK, you wont answer to the question because the answer wouldnt souit your imperial interest.
Nevermind, I will.
I would never reject any part of my culture, my religion, or my heritage just because someone says its for greater good.
Never.
The imperials are proud that they would so there is the difference.
(btw sorry if you took it personal, I just asked the question that is before nords)
 
The decision is same. Reject your God for greater good or dont and rebel.
...The issue here flew over your head. When fighting an Oppressive government, then by all means, fight, but what the stormcloaks are doing is slapping the hand that feeds them, feeds them fairly and was even HELPING them before they fought against a law that wasn't enforced. It was ulfric's excuse for war so he can rule and become a tyrant himself.
 
The Divines were not Nordic Culture, in the terms of what is Nordic culture, Talos is very recent, he became this God sometime after his death around 3E 38.

The Eight Divines were the creation of the First Empire, a mixture of Aldmeri and very watered down Nordic Gods.


In terms of culture and religion, you don't see Talos in the Nordic afterlife. You did however meet a Nordic God, Tsun. Yet many arguments in this thread about that, many Stormcloak supporters who go on and on and on about Nordic culture and oppression from the Imperials. None recognize Tsun as a part of their culture.

Talos ban was a slap in the face to all of the Empire, he wasn't just loved in Skyrim. He was loved by many in all the provinces. Especially Cyrodiil, his face is on every single coin.
 
...The issue here flew over your head. When fighting an Oppressive government, then by all means, fight, but what the stormcloaks are doing is slapping the hand that feeds them, feeds them fairly and was even HELPING them before they fought against a law that wasn't enforced. It was ulfric's excuse for war so he can rule and become a tyrant himself.

And you keep runing around the pot instead of eating from it.
The question is clearly asked. Would you give up your culture/religion in order to prepare a war that is 50-100 years from now?
 
Except the Divines isn't all of your culture. Many Nords don't even worship Talos, they prefer the old ways, the Nordic Gods.

Shor & Kyne being quite high on that list.
 
The Divines were not Nordic Culture, in the terms of what is Nordic culture, Talos is very recent, he became this God sometime after his death around 3E 38.

The Eight Divines were the creation of the First Empire, a mixture of Aldmeri and very watered down Nordic Gods.


In terms of culture and religion, you don't see Talos in the Nordic afterlife. You did however meet a Nordic God, Tsun. Yet many arguments in this thread about that, many Stormcloak supporters who go on and on and on about Nordic culture and oppression from the Imperials. None recognize Tsun as a part of their culture.

Talos ban was a slap in the face to all of the Empire, he wasn't just loved in Skyrim. He was loved by many in all the provinces. Especially Cyrodiil, his face is on every single coin.

Circling, circling, panicking XD
they asked to reject God publicly and close down the temples.
You can worship in secret, yeah ok.
So I asked him if he would accept that and I ended up being perceived and attacked like bloody adolf hitler O.o
 
Except the Divines isn't all of your culture. Many Nords don't even worship Talos, they prefer the old ways, the Nordic Gods.

Shor & Kyne being quite high on that list.

Many muslims dring alcohol, dont pray regularly, have sex out of marriage etc..
A simple question cant be answered by imperials.
 
And you keep runing around the pot instead of eating from it.
The question is clearly asked. Would you give up your culture/religion in order to prepare a war that is 50-100 years from now?
The answer is irrelevant. NOBODY was oppressing the Nords. You're trying to find a way to make people agree with you for something that has no relevance to this situation. Freaking hell man. We aren't the ones running around the pot. You are.
 
The answer is irrelevant. NOBODY was oppressing the Nords. You're trying to find a way to make people agree with you for something that has no relevance to this situation. Freaking hell man. We aren't the ones running around the pot. You are.

Agreeing and enforcing terms curbing religious freedom isnt opression
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The decision is same. Reject your God for greater good or dont and rebel.

Mookie, I understand what you are saying. I do. But the fact is that many of the Nord Legionnaires likely do not see themselves as rejecting Talos. There's plenty of anecdotal information about Nords worshiping in secret, something they had been doing for years before Ulfric's agitation and the resulting Thalmor patrols. And they were and are willing to do so because they believe it's not permanent, but it's a present necessity in the interests of being able to fight back and reclaim open worship in the future. However far away that future is, is an unknown. Granted. But it's clear the Thalmor have and are using Ulfric as a pawn and are benefiting from his open agitation. Religious and arguably even cultural belief is being used to divide and conquer, and that's exactly why there are so many Nord Legionnaires and why Skyrim is so split. Not every Nord believes that because he's wearing a Talos amulet under his uniform or tunic, that he is rejecting Talos. Far from it.
 
Mookie, I understand what you are saying. I do. But the fact is that many of the Nord Legionnaires likely do not see themselves as rejecting Talos. There's plenty of anecdotal information about Nords worshiping in secret, something they had been doing for years before Ulfric's agitation and the resulting Thalmor patrols. And they were and are willing to do so because they believe it's not permanent, but it's a present necessity in the interests of being able to fight back and reclaim open worship in the future. However far away that future is, is an unknown. Granted. But it's clear the Thalmor have and are using Ulfric as a pawn and are benefiting from his open agitation. Religious and arguably even cultural belief is being used to divide and conquer, and that's exactly why there are so many Nord Legionnaires and why Skyrim is so split. Not every Nord believes that because he's wearing a Talos amulet under his uniform or tunic, that he is rejecting Talos. Far from it.

I am not saying that everyone would rebel or feel the same. When we bring the terms over here it sounds terrible and would split people in RL. 50-100 years is a terribly long time.
 
I am not saying that everyone would rebel or feel the same. When we bring the terms over here it sounds terrible and would split people in RL. 50-100 years is a terribly long time.
We get this Mookie. The problem is its far too different to be relevant, plus the notion that Skyrim could pull this off sooner than the Empire is foolhardy.
 
Circling, circling, panicking XD
they asked to reject God publicly and close down the temples.
You can worship in secret, yeah ok.
So I asked him if he would accept that and I ended up being perceived and attacked like bloody adolf hitler o_O

The Empire still worships Talos, many in the Empire still worship Talos. His ban was needed to secure peace, they only stopped worshiping loudly, like screaming about him every five seconds. You can't exactly worship one god but not the other, the Nine/Eight Divines are the same religion.

Many blame the Empire for securing peace, or blame them for the terms of the treaty. The treaty would of course have the Talos Ban on it, otherwise the Thalmor wouldn't agree to peace. It was the Empire and all of it's citizens that were asking for peace, the Aldmeri Dominion didn't have their lands destroyed by war, they could spend the next thousand years taking pot shots, while the Empire is destroyed because they can't maintain any sort of attack against the Aldmeri Dominion, they also lacked the ability to even maintain order and protect it's citizens from bandits even years after the war. Many cities had erupted in violence and even the Kingdom of Wayrest was lost in High Rock.

Tell me, would you agree to peace if it meant you could return to your family? Who are in danger, unprotected, some of them probably hurt from the war?

Titus II did what his people wanted, the Empire as a whole wanted peace. Not just Titus II, his Legions which were battered and worn out from the years of constant warfare, this isn't the modern world where you can fly soldiers in and out and replace them. Many of the Legions had been fighting every single day for four years. There would of been thousands of refugees fleeing the war torn cities that had been taken over by the Dominion, who would slaughter them and commit atrocities upon the innocent citizens.

Skyrim wanted peace, they wanted their families home, High Rock wanted peace, Cyrodiil desperately needed peace, to restore order and rebuild, it was in the plops storm.

Just because many Stormcloaks prefer the Colonel Custer plan, to die in a vain attempt because they could not set aside their pride. What would they all die for, what would the Empire collapse for, so a few old Nords I might add, can thump their chest and say what a brave defeat it was. While all of the population, since the Legion isn't everyone. They can all suffer at the hands of the Dominion as slaves, so can the next generation and the generation after that and so on.

That is what Ulfric lacks as a leader, he can't swallow his pride for the benefit of thousands. A good leader knows when to fight and when not to fight. What made Titus Mede II good, was he put his people before his pride.
 
The Empire still worships Talos, many in the Empire still worship Talos. His ban was needed to secure peace, they only stopped worshiping loudly, like screaming about him every five seconds. You can't exactly worship one god but not the other, the Nine/Eight Divines are the same religion.

Many blame the Empire for securing peace, or blame them for the terms of the treaty. The treaty would of course have the Talos Ban on it, otherwise the Thalmor wouldn't agree to peace. It was the Empire and all of it's citizens that were asking for peace, the Aldmeri Dominion didn't have their lands destroyed by war, they could spend the next thousand years taking pot shots, while the Empire is destroyed because they can't maintain any sort of attack against the Aldmeri Dominion, they also lacked the ability to even maintain order and protect it's citizens from bandits even years after the war. Many cities had erupted in violence and even the Kingdom of Wayrest was lost in High Rock.

Tell me, would you agree to peace if it meant you could return to your family? Who are in danger, unprotected, some of them probably hurt from the war?

Titus II did what his people wanted, the Empire as a whole wanted peace. Not just Titus II, his Legions which were battered and worn out from the years of constant warfare, this isn't the modern world where you can fly soldiers in and out and replace them. Many of the Legions had been fighting every single day for four years. There would of been thousands of refugees fleeing the war torn cities that had been taken over by the Dominion, who would slaughter them and commit atrocities upon the innocent citizens.

Skyrim wanted peace, they wanted their families home, High Rock wanted peace, Cyrodiil desperately needed peace, to restore order and rebuild, it was in the pl*** storm.

Just because many Stormcloaks prefer the Colonel Custer plan, to die in a vain attempt because they could not set aside their pride. What would they all die for, what would the Empire collapse for, so a few old Nords I might add, can thump their chest and say what a brave defeat it was. While all of the population, since the Legion isn't everyone. They can all suffer at the hands of the Dominion as slaves, so can the next generation and the generation after that and so on.

That is what Ulfric lacks as a leader, he can't swallow his pride for the benefit of thousands. A good leader knows when to fight and when not to fight. What made Titus Mede II good, was he put his people before his pride.


Nope I wouldnt accept peace nor would I want it just because my family is suffering.
Its war, everyone suffers. My family is like someone elses family, he values his, I value mine.
That war of men and mer will end. One will not exist. But there are plenty of ES games untill that.
Vietnam wanted peace, Soviet union wanted peace, Bosnia wanted peace, Croatia wanted peace. But they kept fighting and survived
 
I am not saying that everyone would rebel or feel the same. When we bring the terms over here it sounds terrible and would split people in RL. 50-100 years is a terribly long time.

It's true, it is a long time. No one in Tamriel likes the status quo, except maybe the Thalmor. Though I think they would prefer total, undeniable dominance right now, but they're plotting in the meantime. No one (except the Thalmor) thinks that banning worship of Talos is a great thing, it's why it was so desired by them in the treaty - they knew the repercussions it would have. And as has been pointed out, it's not just an affront to Nords, but it is symbolically offensive to the entire Empire.

No one in the Legion likes the situation. It's often the case that Legionnaires you speak to in game express their frustration with the situation - Tullius especially finds the Thalmor repugnant. But it comes down to how to handle the situation, how to react after gauging that this is very much an ongoing chess game. But that's where the beliefs of Nord Legionnaires come into play, in that they too reject that this is at all a permanent state of things. They're essentially fighting to stay united now so that they may overcome the universal enemy later. Rikke is a perfect example of this mindset.
 
It's true, it is a long time. No one in Tamriel likes the status quo, except maybe the Thalmor. Though I think they would prefer total, undeniable dominance right now, but they're plotting in the meantime. No one (except the Thalmor) thinks that banning worship of Talos is a great thing, it's why it was so desired by them in the treaty - they knew the repercussions it would have. And as has been pointed out, it's not just an affront to Nords, but it is symbolically offensive to the entire Empire.

No one in the Legion likes the situation. It's often the case that Legionnaires you speak to in game express their frustration with the situation - Tullius especially finds the Thalmor repugnant. But it comes down to how to handle the situation, how to react after gauging that this is very much an ongoing chess game. But that's where the beliefs of Nord Legionnaires come into play, in that they too reject that this is at all a permanent state of things. They're essentially fighting to stay united now so that they may overcome the universal enemy later. Rikke is a perfect example of this mindset.
How will they overcome?
Every time I am at the Thalmor embassy general Tulius is there, saying he came so that thalmor can show to everyone that they can comand empire what to do, and its representatives.
It hapened in my first game. Since then I have nothing with imperials.
Simply because there is no hope to fight back and rebuild if Elves have that kind of power over it.
 
Nope I wouldnt accept peace nor would I want it just because my family is suffering.
Its war, everyone suffers. My family is like someone elses family, he values his, I value mine.
That war of men and mer will end. One will not exist. But there are plenty of ES games untill that.
Vietnam wanted peace, Soviet union wanted peace, Bosnia wanted peace, Croatia wanted peace. But they kept fighting and survived

I need a break. Good luck Docta. Seriously, good luck.
 
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